December 14, 2003
OT: My Nightmare with AT&T Wireless

While this is OT for the biplog, I have to relate this story. I have had a terrible experience with AT&T wireless, and now have tried to change to Cingular. Cingular does not require a contract (month-to-month service) if you bring your own phone (my Treo 600 is my own) and otherwise, they have wonderful terms, as well as reportedly three times the data transmission rate over any other GSM carrier in the Bay Area. To date, AT&T has rejected four requests for porting the number.

The first rejection was Friday night, apparently because I had not prepaid the early termination fee of $175. Note that I have been a digital customer for 2.8 years (along with 2 other years of AT&T analog service), and do not consider myself under contract, though they do, most recently because in the process of correcting a billing error they made last Thursday, they reset my contract to December 10th, 2003. I then paid the early termination fee upfront, and had all other bills paid, over the phone with credit card, upon which they rejected three more Cingular requests to port the number, two while I was on the phone conferenced together with Cingular and AT&T port administration guys for over two hours.

This morning, after an hour on hold, Peg in AT&T Port administration told me that they would reject any subsequent requests, because I was under contract until March, 2004, and couldn't leave until then. I said no way, I'm leaving, and I paid an early termination fee yesterday for this purpose. She told me that was for billing fees, and that until I prepaid my early termination fee with billing, I would continue to be rejected. I said my bill was paid in full, and I'd paid the early termination fee yesterday, and I didn't see why I had to pay the early terminiation fee twice. She insisted on putting me through to billing, who told me my bill was paid in full, with an additional $175 early termination fee showing as paid. The billing person and I together waited on hold for an hour to get Peg back, to discuss this together, will all three on the phone to confirm the fully paid bill, with the additional early termination fee paid in advance.

Meanwhile, my AT&T phone is "active" in that I can make outgoing calls since Friday night after the first Cingular request, but I cannot receive incoming calls, though AT&T has told me that I am "required" to pay the bill through December and cannot terminate the bill mid-month. So I am still paying for this half-way cell phone service.

According to the FCC, when leaving one cell company for another:

See the letter I sent to AT&T Billing Disputes and the FCC below under more.

UPDATE 121503: Apparently AT&T has had to explain itself for this kind of behavior to the FCC, today.

Mary Hodder
[my address and phone number]

AT&T Wireless Billing Dispute Team
AT&T Wireless
P.O. Box 79075
Phoenix, AZ 85062

RE: wireless account #********** under Mary A. Hodder: payment dispute over the forced pre-payment of Early Termination Fee and payment for service to the end of the billing period while the number will be moved midmonth to another carrier.

I have had this wireless digital account with you, from 02/16/01 until today, 12/13/03. Before I had digital with you, I had analog service for about 2 years under a different phone number. The first year of both the analog digital service, I was under a one-year contract. During the analog era of my cellular service, I used AT&T service such that, in any particular month of service, I could call, while still within the month, and based on the timer on my phone showing the usage, change the type of plan or level of plan, without extension of any contract, as part of the good customer service you offered then. Subsequently, my digital service worked the same way. At some point, while under the digital plan, I changed the billing to have Adobe, my former employer, pay the bill directly, instead of reimbursing me. When I left the company, I changed the service back to personal billing on December 12, 2002.

Up until that time, I experienced nothing but wonderful customer service from AT&T wireless, and would constantly tell people that while your service cost $5-10 more per month for comparable service over any other wireless company, that you were so wonderful to deal and flexible in moving the plans around month to month without resetting the contract, that it was worth the extra money. You terms were reasonable, in that any month my situation changed due to travel, personal or work usage that was extra heavy, or whatever, I could change the type and number of minutes in my plan, with no hassles, as many times as I wanted, and you were wonderful about changing, with no strings attached. I encouraged dozens of people to change to your service over the years, and was one of the people strongly encouraging [my company] to use your service as the corporate plan.

Come to find out about 4 or so months later, that after putting the bill portion of the service back into ONLY my name, from the jointly held [my company]/Mary Hodder Account, that you had changed me into some sort of one year contract. Why? I asked. You responded that because I had changed the billing, I was
"required" to have a contract. Why? I asked. Well, it's in your terms of service agreement. I said, I agreed to a contract for the first year of original service, but DO NOT agree to a contract now, simply because the billing has changed. Subsequently, during the late winter and early spring, the same period where I was unaware that I was under contract due to the billing change, I had been changing around the types and levels of service as I had always done with you, and as per our original agreement, that I could do. I also subsequently found out that that you placed me, for some inexplicable reason under contract due to these plan changes. In other words, you had unilaterally changed our agreement, putting me under a contract I had neither agreed to, nor signed, nor ever saw in the mail nor was aware of as the services were shifting each month. However, when I found out, I would tell this to various representatives in subsequent phone calls in the late spring and summer, and asked them to note this in their notes. They told me they would, though Friday on the phone with one of your representatives, I was told that those notes didn't exist. However, THERE WERE NOTES that said I had agreed to a contract. Again, I repeated, I neither agreed to nor signed a contract, and had never received anything in the mail with any new contract language, since the original information in February 2002, other than the bills.

Eventually, I found out that "promotions" as you call them, or "offers" as they were communicated to me, such as "nights & weekend free minutes" (BTW, you offer those "free" with every plan) was actually a "promotion" and that using the word "promotion" allowed you to put my account under a new one year contract. Since changing the service from say, a national plan at $39.99 to a national plan at $59.99 on your website shows that nights and weekends are included, I assume this is just part of the plan, as I slide up and down the plans, adjusting for usage each month. You apparently consider this a "promotion" event, and therefore, reset my contract. Also, you consider an "offer" of "300 anytime minutes" just randomly offered one day last spring while I was on the phone adjusting my plan with you, to be a "promotion," again resetting my contract rate, though the word "contract" was never used in the conversation.

In fact, in the month of November, 2003, based on your reporting of my minutes used on your website (which is a service I signed up for from you), I adjusted my plan down to $29.99, and then found in December on the bill, that actually you had not reported most of the minutes I'd actually used for the whole month, causing an overage at $.40 a minute, totaling hundreds of dollars. Since I had relied on your reporting, and confirmed this with your representative on November 30th when I called in to slide the plan level down, I assumed you were right, and relied on your information. Therefore, the choice of a plan for $29.99 was made based on your erroneous information (and your bad software, according to one of your customer service reps told me over the phone later), meaning that I did nothing wrong, and in fact, you were at fault with the reporting. No less that 98 minutes (per my phone timer) were spent with six AT&T representatives, on 12/10/03, arguing about getting you to fix this problem. In the meantime, in fixing the problem, your representatives managed to RESET my contract yet again, even though the billing error was YOUR fault (see the attached print out of the AT&T plan for my account).

You reset me to my original plan level in November, at $59.99 for the month, and fixing your error, which had nothing at all to do with accepting anything or getting any "promotions," my contract was reset to December 10, 2003. However, those 98 minutes did give me the opportunity to find out from your representatives that "offers" such as the "offer of 300 anytime minutes" as well as the "offer of free nights & weekends" ARE technically considered "promotions" and therefore reset the contract, which is why you have baited me in the past with an "offer", and then "switched" my month-to-month status to a one-year contract based on this "offer" which was really a "promotion". Though you should know that the word "promotion" doesn’t mean anything to me either, and I had no idea that this CODE WORD meant you were referring to RESETTING my CONTRACT. It is clear from my conversations with you in the past few days that you use these words intentionally to confuse customers, so that they agree to "offers" or "gifts" without knowing there are heavy penalty strings attached. If I had know the strings had anything to do with the contract, I NEVER, NEVER would have agreed to the offers.

In fact, in the phone calls the past few days, your representatives have deceptively "offered" a free month of service, and when I ask what the strings are, they say, well, we would reset your contract for another year. It’s a scam.

I have been with you for 5 ½ years. I had enjoyed your service, until the last nine months, when you started screwing around, weaseling around, trying to trap me into a contract without my knowledge, letting me know way after the fact of a new contract date, and only when I was complaining about something else that appeared to be causing a problem, when in fact it had to do with the contract status. I don’t appreciate paying a service provider $800-900 a year for this kind of treatment.

This bait and switch method of yours, where you UNILATTERLY change the terms of our original agreement: one year contract, month-to-month after that, change the service type and level whenever I want as long as we are still in the service month getting changed, into some other plan, where EVERY event, including a change of billing payer, and including fixing your own billing/reporting screw-ups, causes the contract to be "reset," even though I am not aware of it until subsequent calls and DO NOT AGREE TO RESET THE CONTRACT is a scam.

I cannot stomach the bad service you have given over the past nine months. It has been awful. So, as of purchasing at Treo 600, and needing GSM service, I have decided to go with Cingular. They WILL NOT put me under ANY CONTRACT, they WILL NOT force me to reset the contract as I change levels of service, they WILL allow me to roll over minutes which means I won't need to change the service level much anyway, they WILL have inexpensive text-messaging and data (unlike your expensive $.10 per message charges and $.01/k or $10/mb data charges, Cingular offers TM for $.02 per message and data at $.007/k), and they will give me all other services for free. It's ALL MONTH-TO-MONTH from day one. In addition, a new major university research paper I just read that compared GSM and data transfer rates for cell phones shows that Cingular has three times the rates of data transfer, and significantly better GSM service, for the Bay Area. I want to be with a company that is confident enough in it's own service quality as well as customer care quality, that it knows it doesn't have to lock me in to keep me, or scam me, in order to trap me a customer.

In fact, in order to move my number to Cingular, I found out this afternoon that AT&T had rejected Cingular's 10/11/03 request for porting the number, because I had had to PRE-PAY the contract cancellation fee of $175.00, which I did after calling into AT&T on 10/12/03, and finding out about the rejected request, and the required prepayment for cancellation fees. I then immediately paid via credit card under duress, in order to get the number ported. Since I am no longer under contract, since February 16, 2002, nor do I agree to any of the machinations you have unilaterally imposed via bait and switch mechanisms used to force me under contract, though I have not signed any new contracts, nor have I agreed verbally to any contract, I DISPUTE this fee I was forced to pay, in order to get away from your company.

You should know, that in keeping with your lousy customer service, you have managed to reject the porting requests made by Cingular, THREE ADDITIONAL TIMES yesterday, 10/12/03, AFTER I paid the required pre-pay early termination request. You should also know that your representatives have told me on the phone today, after paying the pre-pay early termination request, that I will also HAVE to pay the service through the end of the month (yet another person even said that in the notes yesterday, they saw that I had requested an end to service on January 4, 2004??? I never requested this. I want to get away now!). This is despite the fact that in looking at your written contract, provided at the beginning of my digital service in February, 2001, I can find nothing in it that requires payment to the end of the month upon cancellation, and believe that you made this up arbitrarily. Therefore, I dispute paying to the end of the month as well.

As of the posting of this letter, my phone number, 510-701-1975 has, for two days, blocked INCOMING Calls, with the recording on your system saying, "you have reached a number that is no longer working" while allowing me to make outgoing calls. In the meantime, you have neither allowed the number to go to Cingular, nor have you kept it turned on so that I have a functioning digital phone. I even called into you Port Administration 800 number at 8am PST on Sunday morning, and was kept on hold for an hour, in addition to the three hours on hold with them on Saturday. I spoke with "Peg" in Port Administration, and she told me that I the $175 I paid you Saturday was for billing payments, not early termination fees (though my bill is already paid in full) and that I had to pay ANOTHER, SECOND early termination fee for $175, before a 5th request from Cingular would be accepted, to port my number. She also told me I the four previous requests had been rejected because I couldn't leave until my contract was up in March, 2004. I responded that I COULD, and would, and had paid the early termination fee in advance of cancellation on Saturday for this purpose. I was then sent to billing who told me I owed nothing, and in fact they had a $175 early termination fee credit on my bill waiting for the end of service. Billing sent me back to Port Administration, where I waited on hold again, for an hour, only to be told by "Kalandria" that in fact the request had been accepted by AT&T, and so we together conference in Cingular to see what was going on. The upshot: Cingular had to resend the request again. So we are now waiting for this to go through, and I will check with Cingular and AT&T later tonight to confirm the status of the new request, which will again have to come from the Cingular store, to Impact, the third party vendor for porting numbers, and then onto AT&T.

As an early adopter, I often am asked by others about what technologies I use and will continue to report your bad service, and the terrific service offered by Cingular. Your customer service is so bad, and your people so ridiculous, working without logic or consideration, lying to me in some cases, that I will do everything I can to keep people from your service.

I hereby make this letter my 30-day request for return of the early cancellation payment of $175.00. If you do not repay me for the early cancellation fee, I will take you to small claims court, and you will receive service of that court action in about 35 days.

Sincerely,
Mary Hodder

cc: Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street SW
Washington, DC 20554

attachment: web copy of AT&T service statement showing reset contract date to 12/10/03.

Posted by Mary Hodder at December 14, 2003 09:29 AM
Comments

Fascinating. Please keep us updated on how this goes. There are bigger and broader issues here in number portability -- AT&T just happens to be more brazen than most.

Posted by: Paul K on December 14, 2003 03:25 PM

this truly reaches Brazil levels of insanity. ATTWS's number portability strategy seems to be to scam its existing customers out of a switch, rather than going after new ones. Complete nonsense. How's the Treo?

Posted by: dreww on December 15, 2003 03:56 AM

But I love my Treo 600. It's satisfying all my geeky desires. It's what I've been waiting for the last two years since I identified the things that were important: web access, camera, phone that is not too big, but that you can still talk on without an earbud, qwerty keyboard, but still with a nice display, pda, mp3 player, and tons
of cool software for things like blogging and games and excel and word, and pdf readers, etc. Well done.

I recommend that you go to Handspring directly, find a friend with an old treo serial number, and call it in, to save a few hundred dollars. Ask for an unlocked phone, and then buy a SIM card from whomever you want to, but as I said, if you own your own phone, Cingular will let you do month to month, and they have the best data rate, according to a UCBerkeley study just completed, (as in the data collection is finished, but the writing of is not) but not yet published, that I looked at last week.

Jenny Levine at The Shifted Librarian has a great list of software and links for the Treo 600. I've downloaded much of her list into my Treo and I'm very happy.

My ONLY complaint is that so far, I cannot find anything either already in the Treo 600, or to download, that will allow me to track my phone minutes use, and better yet, to allow me to set the times of the counter so that it would count minutes for anytime, verses nights and weekend use. That would be AMAZING!!! Please, could someone make this, or point me to something already made that does this? Thanks!

Posted by: mary hodder on December 15, 2003 10:21 AM

I feel your pain, literally. And I think you'll eventually enjoy Cingular. But (and I hate to say this) be prepared. Pardon the length, but allow me to introduce you to Cingular via something I wrote back in August:

Sometimes they push you too far.

After receiving a $312 phone bill last month, I decided I'd finally had it with Sprint PCS. I won't bore you with how I had to dispute, in writing, my first six months worth of bills before the company grudgingly gave me the monetary incentives they promised to start up service in the first place. The key factor was that since my wife and I live in the hinterlands, all our formerly free calls within Houston now are long distance, thanks to the greed of a certain San Antonio Baby Bell. We need more minutes on our cell plan. But if we change the plan in any way, Sprint will wipe away the incentives I had to fight so hard for in the first place. Economically, continuing with them was not an option.

At least, unless they were willing to negotiate. However, their customer support system left me unable to connect with an actual human in three sessions of about 15 minutes each, and I was too busy to hang out with their elevator music any longer that day.

So I chose to shop online with Cingular - coincidentally owned by that same San Antonio Baby Bell. Their explanation of plan features left something to be desired, and they kept duplicating portions of my order so that at first the shopping cart check-out wouldn't work, but nothing I wasn't able to work my way around. They had a plan much more satisfactorily on the face of it than Sprint's. I bought.

They confirmed the order Aug. 6 and said the goods & service would arrive at my home within 2-5 working days. Cool. I waited.

And waited.

On Aug. 15 I emailed their e-commerce division, following instructions they'd provided, and asked the status of my order. According to their confirmation email, I'd hear back in 24 hours. To date, I haven't heard back.

On Aug. 19, I made the mistake of trying to call Cingular's customer service number, found on the same web site from which I made my order. They kept me on hold a full 20 minutes. With the constant audio commercials, it seemed like an hour.

Then a man answered. I explained that I had ordered phones and service, but nothing had arrived and I wanted to find out the status of my order. "Oh, I have to put you through to sales," he said. Funny, the phone menu choices mentioned nothing about how people checking on orders should choose sales. I had to wait a full 10 minutes more for sales.

The woman who answered listened as I asked the status of my order. "You'll have to contact E-store," she told me. "We don't handle online sales." Aren't you all Cingular? I asked.

"We don't even have a number for them," she said. "We don't even know how to get ahold of them." She then explained that I needed to go on their web site and find out their email address so I could inquire via email the order status.

Dude, I'd been down that road.

"Listen, can I just talk to a supervisor for a minute?" I asked, trying not to sound angry or threatening. I just figured a supervisor would know how to get to the E-store supervisor.

Next thing I know, she puts me in the hold que again, where a recording tells me the wait is longer than 10 minutes. Bitch.

Finding where the buck stops
I could've quit at this point. But I was just too fucking pissed off. Here's the thing. You don't have to take this corporate call-center crap, even though it's endemic and has become an icon of American business "service."

The fact is, someone, somewhere has his bonus on the line if sales tank as a result of screwed-up sales systems. You can often find that person if you know where to look.

I went back to the Cingular web site and clicked on the link to Investor Relations. This is a good place to find what you're looking for. First, check the target company's press releases. Often, at the end of a press release, you'll find a phrase such as "For more information, contact John Soandso by emailing..." and it will give you John's email address. What you're looking for is how John's email is styled. Is it jsoandso@company.com? is it johns@company.com? Or is it john.soandso@company.com?

In Cingular's case, it was the latter. With that knowledge in hand, I moved on to the company officers. I figured the CEO was too busy being the worldview front guy to really give a shit about nuts and bolts operating issues.

On the other hand, the chief operating officer's very job was to be responsible for nuts and bolts operating issues. I found his name and sent him an email with the subject line "Sales and customer service adrift."

"As Cingular chief operating officer," it began, "I thought you might appreciate some observations from a neutral party about your company's online sales and customer service efforts."

I went on to describe my futile efforts to spend my money with Cingular. I closed thusly:

"What I'd like to know is, will I receive phones and service soon from Cingular? It's frustrating to spend as much time as I have in this quest (probably 2 hours today) and still not have any more information than I started with.

I'm writing you because I figure if I'm in this bind, a lot of your prospective customers must be in this bind. And I figured as a good businessman, you'd want to know when something was amiss with your system."

Now, a good bit of the time you can go through this exercise and not receive a boo for your efforts. In this case, however, I received the following email early the next morning:

"Dear (UncleBob),

"Thank you for advising Cingular of the delay in receipt of your order and thank you for taking the time to address your concerns.

"The letter you wrote on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 was provided to me for review. I attempted to contact you hoping to personally address these concerns with you. I provided my number if you would like to contact me for further discussion. In your letter you addressed concern about your attempts to obtain status for Estore Order ____, and this will be addressed with the Estore Customer Support Team and your letter compels Cingular Wireless to evaluate and implement systems that will allow order status to be more accessible to our customers (emphasis mine).

I found that your order was approved for service on 08/07/2003 and shipment would have taken place that same date. It appears that an error in the system prevented this from shipping and I was not aware of the problem until I received your letter. This error has been corrected at this time and you may expect delivery in 1-2 days. You will be receiving a shipping confirmation with tracking number by email. Given the time you have waited to receive your equipment, I have waived the shipping charges that were indicated on your order and regret any inconvenience you may have experienced."

And it was signed by the supervisor for Cingular's E-store. So imagine! A customer inquiery "compels" the company to evaluate its systems and change them for better service. No shit. Beyond that, a separate Cingular employee called me this morning to see if I were apoplectic about what happened. And he assured me service was on the way.

So, it is possible to obtain decent customer service - just not through the division of the company designated to actually provide it.

Posted by: UncleBob on December 15, 2003 12:22 PM

Glad to hear you finally got some service out of Cingular. My experience with customer support has been nearly identical. I want to warn everyone that Cingular is experiencing a serious technical problem (and has been for at least the past 3 weeks). It seems numbers in the 404 area code cannot be activated. I only discovered this after someone in Tech Support let it slip. Up until this point, I thought it was just me, but it seems it's everyone. Cingular cannot implment WLNP in the 404 area code because of this problem. No one at Cingular seems to know why this is, and no one seems to be doing anything to fix it. Apparently they are hoping to switch everyone to numbers in the 770 or 678 area codes (same geographic area) to get around the problem. Unfortunately this won't work for me since Cingular obtained my number from Verizon without my permission, can't activate it, and now can't give it back to Verizon because they can't activate it. Beware - do not take a 404-area code number to Cingular

Posted by: Steve Pryor on February 20, 2004 06:46 AM

I have a complaint with my last AT&T bill.
I had been with AT&T wireless for 3 1/2 years. My employer (FP&L)
had the account under FP&L. During the last few months my employer had taken their name off the bill so I talked with a AT&T Rep. and told them that I was planning on changing my service and did not want to be involved into another year contract. He said it would be no problem, that I would not get into another contract.
Well, 2 months later I change to Cingular and AT&T sends me a $175.00 for breaking a contract..
Do I have to pay?
This is a fine example of why I left AT&T in the first place.
Would appreciate if you could help...
Tanks,
James T. White

Posted by: James T. White on March 16, 2004 05:12 PM
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